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welcome back everybody cool date today

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Jason we're in the middle of like a mini

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really weird this is February 12th I

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think that we're recording this episode

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on so yeah yeah it's it's weird it's uh

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it's a weird time yeah just before 2 p.m

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and uh I think there was one over Alaska

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on Thursday or Friday uh one in Canada

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got shot down uh yesterday the day

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before last night in Montana they closed

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some airspace uh now China's saying they

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got one I just got a report that in

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Michigan they had blocked off a chunk of

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airspace now they're scrambling Jets so

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very rare to be able to record a show in

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the middle of this much UFO activity so

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let's get into that I mean it's kind of

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impromptu it's not in our notes but we

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don't really script our shows anyway uh

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and today's guest Mindy toddfest uh dean

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of mufon University nice to see another

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powerful female in ufology and uh two

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nights ago she was on the new show of

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Ancient Aliens where mufon was featured

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so we're gonna ask her about that and

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also I read she's a near-death

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experience experiencer very cool and

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perhaps that's what got her into this

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going to roll our music it's UFO flap

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Sundays on UAP studies podcast we'll be

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[Music]

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welcome back to another episode of UAP

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studies podcast my name is Louis Borges

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joining me as always my good buddy Jason

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Gilman how's it going Louis it's going

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really good uh interesting day today it

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sounds like we're in the middle of a

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little baby UFO flap there's been some

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crazy stuff in Alaska Yukon Montana

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Michigan now we're hearing reports of

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China so it is a rare event where we can

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record real time on uh on well-known UFO

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data so we're going to talk a bit about

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that also we have a very big guest today

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nice to see another powerful female in

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this topic we do have quite a few on our

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show we are we are equal opportunity

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podcasters as far as that goes and

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today's guest Mindy totfest I hope I

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pronounced that correctly perfect okay

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good mufon state director for Oklahoma

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she's also the dean of mufan University

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which I think is very cool as most of

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our viewers know Jason is also a mufon

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field investigator in Canada here so

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lots in common and she's also a

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near-death experiencer so we're going to

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find out about her life and what uh you

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know made her interested in all this but

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first a very warm welcome Mindy to our

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show well thank you guys I appreciate

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you guys having me on today yeah so

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let's start a little bit about your

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history uh what got you into this topic

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and a little bit about your past

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experiences

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well yeah I I will try to keep it short

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because my my past history could fill up

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the whole hour and I've done that before

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but we'll keep it short and I'll try to

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give you the the bullet points on it

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um 2016 I had a brain aneurysm it was a

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result of a genetic condition that I

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have that runs in my family and at the

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time they didn't think that I had the

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deadly form that caused aneurysms and so

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we weren't really expecting anything

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like that I'd always been uh you know

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followed closely by doctors and

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everything and they never picked up

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anything but it was election day 2016.

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uh Hillary versus Trump so everyone you

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know was emotions were high and

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everything and so I was checking exit

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polls to try and see if

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um anything had come out yet and as I

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was sitting on the couch I was home by

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myself and then I heard the gunshot go

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off and I knew then I I'd been an ICU

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nurse and I thought well at first I

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thought maybe I'd been shot because we

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lived out in the middle of nowhere on a

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farm and they had been out coyote

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hunting and so I thought well you know I

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could have been shot through the wall

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but I started realizing no that's not it

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it's got to be an aneurysm

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um but I mean I remember everything I

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remember all my thoughts the front door

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was open and so I was expecting the kids

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to come home anytime with my husband and

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they were five and seven at the time so

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I was waiting for them to come in give

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me hugs and kisses and everything tell

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me about their day and I was so mad

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because I knew that they were going to

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come in and find me and so that just

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ripped my heart out I was I was angry

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um and I was begging God you know if I

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can survive this and I can do it without

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being all mangled and stuff you know let

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me let me survive this but I ended up

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crossing over I went to a place that is

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commonly known as the void and being a

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southern baptist minister life I had no

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idea that there was a void I was

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expecting you know the tunnel and the

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greet me and none of that happened

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um I I was begging for it to happen but

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nothing happened instead I was there

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just kind of by myself and

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um reflecting on my life and kind of

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testing out the environment like I

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realized that I didn't have any hands my

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first instinct was to kind of clap my

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hands and I was like well crap I don't I

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don't even have any form here

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um and and you know so then I just kind

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of freaked out because I was like why am

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I stuck here you know why why am I not

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getting the whole Heaven scenario

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um and eventually something showed up

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there was a male entity that came and uh

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he basically said you're not going to be

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here forever and instantly I was

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relieved I thought okay that's wonderful

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I'm there's someone else here thank God

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and I'm not going to be here forever and

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to the to the left

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um which is it's kind of hard there's

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really no direction or time or anything

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that I I could feel creation around me I

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could feel God around me but I was just

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kind of separate from it all and that

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um but anyways we sailed off to the left

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here and then off in the distance I saw

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like this purple glow and as we got

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closer it started taking form into what

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looked like a map of brain neurons it's

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what it looked like it was like a nebula

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and it was glowing pink and orange and

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yellow and I thought wow that's

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beautiful and he told me well that's the

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fabric of humanity and I said okay and

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it was just like wow you know like

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something huge had been revealed to me

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and I was like well I want to go towards

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it and he said no that's not for you

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so then I I you know selled off more to

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the left and then bam I was back in my

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body and I woke up with terrible a

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terrible headache to say the least

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burning all through my skull and and I'd

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gone deaf I have to wear hearing aids

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now I lost about 90 of my hearing as a

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result of it yeah it um it did a number

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on me and it took a couple of years to

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really regain my health and my strength

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and I mean I still have some weird stuff

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that happens from time to time but you

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um on alive and well and I'm I'm happy

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um and and since returning it took me a

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couple years to really say anything

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about the near-death experience and it

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was during the pandemic that I finally

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um I had gone to therapy for PTSD

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relating to it because every time I

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heard a loud noise or anything I was on

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edge I mean I thought it was happening

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um so I did I had to go through some

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therapy for it and I was just at the

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point where I wanted to talk to my

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therapist about the near-death

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experience and then the pandemic shut

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everything down and so I I finally just

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turned to my husband and said okay I've

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got to share something with you and once

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I did we ended up getting a hold of ions

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which is the International Association

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of near-death studies and I started

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going to like support groups they call

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them sharing groups and I got in contact

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with other people and I'll tell you it

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kind of was hard for me because the

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other people that actually had

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near-death experiences all went to

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heaven you know and here I am and I'm

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like no I don't want to go back you know

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it was awful for me but

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um you know most people that do have bad

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experiences end up having wonderful life

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experience afterwards and that's really

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been my experience

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um I had had one more setback where I

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ended up back in the hospital and at

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that point we were you know looking into

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funeral arrangements for me we didn't

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know if I would really be able to pull

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through and this was after a couple of

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years that I was still struggling and

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ended up back in the hospital

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so as a result of that my husband said

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well let's go to Roswell and something I

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had always wanted to do and so you know

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he planned it out we loaded up the kids

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and it was kind of a solemn trip

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um went out there and they were having

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the big festival and we had a great time

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um and I ended up meeting Kathleen

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Martin when I was there and of course

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she formed the experience or resource

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team for mufon and she must have thought

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I was nuts because

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I was like well how did you do it you

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know how did you become the spokesman

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for your family you know and I'm asking

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these weird questions because things

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still weren't like connecting in my

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um and so I I don't know I don't know

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what her perception of me was but she

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must have thought it was off

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which I probably was at the time

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um but she inspired me I mean I had

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always wanted to be an expert in ufology

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I studied it since I was a kid I was the

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kid riding my bike to the bookmobile and

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checking out everything on Cryptids and

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UFOs and ghosts and everything that I

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could get my hands on and to actually

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have the the opportunity to do that

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through mufon was just amazing and

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initially we had just looked into maybe

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going to meetings so I had contacted the

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mufon headquarters and said hey

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um you know are there meetings in

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Oklahoma that I can go to and at the

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time our director of Investigations was

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Doug Wilson and he said well there's not

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meetings but we need people

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um if you want to be an investigator and

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I was like really I can I can do that I

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don't know if I have the health to do it

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right now and he's like well most of

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it's online most of it's over the

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telephone phone yeah we'll start you off

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with what you can handle and I was like

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gave me a whole new meaning to life uh

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it revitalized me and I I was living my

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dream and within a year I was promoted

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to the state director and then um now

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into mufon University and the stuff

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we're doing there yeah talk about that a

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little bit because we've had lots of

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people from mufon on our show but it was

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a first for me while researching you to

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learn about a mufon university and I

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like the fact that there's that amount

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of effort put into it to literally train

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people to be the best investigator they

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can it's not like a fly by night just

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wing it you know like Jason's mentioned

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on previous episodes to be an

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investigator there's an exam you have to

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study you have to have your wits about

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you it can't just be anybody to do this

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kind of thing but I like the fact that

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there's that level of we take it

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seriously let's train people so maybe

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talk a little bit about mufan University

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yeah absolutely and I I can't take

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credit for mufon University it was

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actually a um the baby of Ken St John

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who I believe he was the Chief Financial

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Officer before I had come on he left

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right about the time that I came in but

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he had kind of had the idea let's put

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together uh mufon University where we

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can train people and kind of get them on

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the same footing starting off and

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whenever I came on and went through the

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whole field investigator process and

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took the exam and then went through the

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training at MoveOn University it was so

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clunky I I went through it and I was

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like man is this really you know what

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mufon has you know the great move on and

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I was kind of disappointed I mean it had

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really good information but it needed

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updating and so it was kind of a gripe

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of mine for a while and then

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um last year I did a podcast and our

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director of memberships Terry Lynn kill

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was listening and she ended up calling

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me and she's like this guy keeps talking

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over you just just tell me about your

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experience and so we ended up talking

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for about six hours that night she and I

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did and our poor husbands were starving

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in the other room and we're like just go

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ahead

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have a sandwich

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[Laughter]

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so we um as we were discussing things I

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brought up move on University and I said

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you know have we looked at ever updating

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that because Doug Wilson was just

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leaving and and Steve Hudgins was coming

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on as director investigations and muffin

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University was just sitting there Doug

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Wilson used to do some little trainings

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with people with new investigators and

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you do like three nights of training and

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it was mainly just an introduction to

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CMS our case management system where all

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of the cases are stored and that wasn't

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happening now with during the transition

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so I said well can we record something

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like that and put it up on on mufon

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University and she said absolutely she

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had been trying to do this for years and

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so she said let's do it so she took it

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to Dave McDonald and I'm telling you I'm

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a huge fan of Dave McDonald the man has

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turned move on around 100 percent and he

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has given us everything that we have

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needed and with updating and really

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bringing us up to current times and I'll

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get into even more of that the the great

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things he's been doing for mufon but um

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she got a hold of him and he said yeah

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absolutely go for it so we dove in and

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we had a small team of us

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um that would meet every Monday and we'd

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kind of go over curriculum what all's in

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mufon University and we got a whole new

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platform that we're transferring

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everything over to we reviewed the exam

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and we updated the forms that we use for

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our investigations to include things

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that we can access now so

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um the flight radar logs were able we're

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you know putting in a field for that

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where we can put that report in there

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astronomical bodies that were in the air

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at the time we have a field for that now

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um satellites we need to go you know

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track down what satellites are in the

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air they'll be filled for that and then

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we we kind of cover things with them in

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mufon University as far as on-site

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investigations and witness interview

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and just some of the different things

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that they'll come across photo and video

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analysis one of the big ones most people

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come in and they don't have any kind of

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experience analyzing photos and videos

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and so every little lens flare is

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something that's really interesting

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until you see a hundred of them and so

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that's something that we're hoping to

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train people as soon as they come in we

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have all these years and years and years

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of combined knowledge that we can give

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to people right from the start and

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it's just going to launch us to a whole

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new level whenever people coming in have

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that kind of information and then they

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get to build on it I can only imagine

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what the next generation of ufologists

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are going to be able to do building off

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of what we're doing now

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absolutely and even the point uh in

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mufon it's we try to identify what it is

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and that really is our main mission is

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like I will tell you what it is and it's

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when we can't tell you what it is and

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remains an unknown that's when it's

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really interesting but you know a lot of

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people hope that when they submit a

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video and they say you know I was

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communicating telepathically with this

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object and it turns out it was a

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satellite you can actually have the

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satellite number and everything now

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right on on these apps even on your

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phone apps you'll find out what

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satellite they were looking at and

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they don't like hearing that uh response

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at all have you had that with some of

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your cases where people just like do not

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agree with with what you came up with

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because they had their heart set on that

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they had an experience and you're just

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not seeing it right and that's that's a

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problem that we have within the

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organization is people assume that we're

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just going to believe everything and our

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job is to prove that something wasn't so

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yeah do you have any uh cases that have

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happened like that where somebody's just

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been mad at you because you've found out

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what it was well not really mad at me

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um I I try to be you know very open with

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people and I I think that in doing it

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the way that we're doing it now where we

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do our due diligence and we go in and

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we're looking at all these different

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aspects and we're able to recreate

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everything that was in the sky at the

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time of their siding when we do our due

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diligence then they say okay you know I

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can see your point I may not agree with

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it but I I can see where you're getting

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this information and why you're drawing

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that conclusion and I think that people

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are starting to understand that we

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aren't out to just debunk things we're

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not here to validate things either we're

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here to look for the truth and when we

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include things that are not truly

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anomalous it Waters down our data and

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we're getting wrong information so if we

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have

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um a cluster of sightings over here in

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Northeastern Oklahoma and then

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um you know we get a report from often

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California that kind of contradicts it

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or whatever but that's not really a true

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UAP

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we're getting wrong information you know

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it if things aren't um

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lining up then it's it's harming our

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field and it does us better to be able

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to rule out what we can so we can focus

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on the truly anomalous and understand

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the capabilities of them and the uh

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patterns that can emerge from it so like

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right now

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um October November here in Oklahoma and

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into Missouri uh we were having kind of

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a mini flap going on here uh we're

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airline pilots there was a Delta pilot

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crew that was flying over Oklahoma going

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into Missouri and I think it was in

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October that they had their sighting and

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then we had several here in Oklahoma

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that were reported about the same time

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and then Missouri also did

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um where they had a pilot that had

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reported stuff as well and it was

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interesting because several of them were

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reporting seeing a bright white light

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with red and green flashing which you

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could think a normal aircraft but these

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were from trained violence that we're

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seeing this and whenever we went in and

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did the research there weren't any

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marked you know transponding planes in

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the area

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um and to to see that over and over and

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over that's something that we saw in the

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60s that was reported here in Oklahoma

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as well it was the stationary white

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lights with the red and green flashing

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and so we're seeing that kind of repeat

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it again here in 2022 you know that that

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it's still the same kind of

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um craft that we're seeing reported here

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well in the last couple months there's

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been lots of talk of enigma Labs which

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is basically a group that's petitioning

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the public to send us their reports but

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they're kind of hiding behind a veil of

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anonymity sort of cryptic writing on

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their site essentially from what most

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people are gathering is they've come up

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with an algorithmic spreadsheet to rank

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cases and some people have said well if

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you're going to assign a higher priority

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to a ce4 over ce1 you're going to throw

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out a lot of good data because just

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because that's the only report doesn't

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make it any less anomalous so my

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question for you is kind of two-fold one

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have you heard anything about mufon

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collaborating and the reason I say that

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is because a lot of people we've heard

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are throwing stones and mufons saying

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you know people gave you reports and

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confidence and now you're going to work

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with the government and share it with

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Enigma so I think there's a lot of bad

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info floating around I don't know myself

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personally one way or the other so again

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twofold do you know anything if Enigma

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and mufon are working and also is mufan

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going to be working with this Aero

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office as referenced in the last

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Congressional UAP report what are your

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thoughts on that right that's a

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button well we got time so I figured I'd

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get it all out now okay let's start off

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with

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um the Enigma Labs I am not really

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familiar with what they're doing

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um I've heard about them I know that

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they just made some kind of deal with

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the government that

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um I guess that that had come out that

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was the first time I really had heard of

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them and I'm really I I mean I went on

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to their website and looked and it's

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actually pretty nice but

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um I I don't know anything about their

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protocol or anything but I think that

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probably they'll find like we have that

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in researching and speaking with people

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that have made these reports you cannot

540
00:21:42,110 --> 00:21:39,600
throw off you know or throw out the

541
00:21:44,210 --> 00:21:42,120
first you know the category One cases

542
00:21:46,370 --> 00:21:44,220
the light in the sky cases because

543
00:21:49,909 --> 00:21:46,380
sometimes people are very hesitant to

544
00:21:51,890 --> 00:21:49,919
open up about what really happened and

545
00:21:54,289 --> 00:21:51,900
one of the light in the sky cases that

546
00:21:56,810 --> 00:21:54,299
we had recently which was one of part of

547
00:21:59,330 --> 00:21:56,820
the flap that I was just mentioning the

548
00:22:01,130 --> 00:21:59,340
guy was walking his dog and you know

549
00:22:02,750 --> 00:22:01,140
that that's all it was I was out walking

550
00:22:05,090 --> 00:22:02,760
my dog and I saw this white light and it

551
00:22:06,890 --> 00:22:05,100
was splashing red and green okay well

552
00:22:09,409 --> 00:22:06,900
then we get in and get to talking with

553
00:22:11,810 --> 00:22:09,419
him it affected his dog his dog wasn't

554
00:22:14,450 --> 00:22:11,820
able to walk after this thing flew by it

555
00:22:16,610 --> 00:22:14,460
and it was very ill that whole night and

556
00:22:19,130 --> 00:22:16,620
it finally started recovering over the

557
00:22:20,810 --> 00:22:19,140
the evening and throughout the night and

558
00:22:22,909 --> 00:22:20,820
he actually went back the next night

559
00:22:25,130 --> 00:22:22,919
trying to see if it was maybe a star or

560
00:22:27,649 --> 00:22:25,140
something so he he really approached it

561
00:22:30,770 --> 00:22:27,659
rationally and was trying to you know

562
00:22:32,810 --> 00:22:30,780
rule out anything that he could and and

563
00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:32,820
so in in talking with him more

564
00:22:36,830 --> 00:22:35,520
information comes to life and I can't

565
00:22:39,049 --> 00:22:36,840
tell you how many times that's happened

566
00:22:41,570 --> 00:22:39,059
where it seems like a very surface level

567
00:22:44,570 --> 00:22:41,580
kind of report and then someone says

568
00:22:47,690 --> 00:22:44,580
well then later I was visited by these

569
00:22:49,789 --> 00:22:47,700
shadow beings or I woke up in the night

570
00:22:51,409 --> 00:22:49,799
and my bedroom was flooded with light

571
00:22:54,409 --> 00:22:51,419
and I didn't feel comfortable putting

572
00:22:57,169 --> 00:22:54,419
that in the report okay you know

573
00:22:59,390 --> 00:22:57,179
um so that category one case can very

574
00:23:01,970 --> 00:22:59,400
quickly turn into a category three just

575
00:23:04,370 --> 00:23:01,980
in speaking with people and you know in

576
00:23:06,950 --> 00:23:04,380
the course of a hour-long interview with

577
00:23:09,710 --> 00:23:06,960
someone you start realizing just the

578
00:23:12,649 --> 00:23:09,720
multitude of encounters they've really

579
00:23:15,350 --> 00:23:12,659
had and a pattern starts emerging Within

580
00:23:16,730 --> 00:23:15,360
These different experiences so you know

581
00:23:19,010 --> 00:23:16,740
like I said I think that they'll

582
00:23:20,270 --> 00:23:19,020
probably find that as well once you get

583
00:23:21,470 --> 00:23:20,280
the boots on the ground you start

584
00:23:23,630 --> 00:23:21,480
getting out there and actually talking

585
00:23:26,149 --> 00:23:23,640
with people it changes things very

586
00:23:29,210 --> 00:23:26,159
quickly and let's see what else did you

587
00:23:31,010 --> 00:23:29,220
bring up the yeah the Aero office arrow

588
00:23:33,350 --> 00:23:31,020
is supposed to be you know Consulting

589
00:23:34,850 --> 00:23:33,360
with a lot of other organizations you

590
00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:34,860
think mufon would be on that list

591
00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:36,720
because they're muffon and I mean they

592
00:23:41,390 --> 00:23:39,360
probably have more report cases than

593
00:23:42,770 --> 00:23:41,400
anywhere else so have you heard anything

594
00:23:44,570 --> 00:23:42,780
that there's going to be mufon

595
00:23:47,270 --> 00:23:44,580
collaborating with the government so to

596
00:23:50,029 --> 00:23:47,280
speak well yeah um I don't know anything

597
00:23:52,490 --> 00:23:50,039
about collaborating with Enigma labs and

598
00:23:54,350 --> 00:23:52,500
of course I'll tell you people don't

599
00:23:56,750 --> 00:23:54,360
tell me things because I'm very excited

600
00:23:58,250 --> 00:23:56,760
about this so

601
00:24:00,770 --> 00:23:58,260
um and I tell them don't tell me

602
00:24:02,510 --> 00:24:00,780
anything because I I don't know if I

603
00:24:04,549 --> 00:24:02,520
could keep my mouth shut

604
00:24:07,250 --> 00:24:04,559
um so I I really come from a place of

605
00:24:09,890 --> 00:24:07,260
just this is my observation as far as

606
00:24:13,250 --> 00:24:09,900
what's been released but I I think that

607
00:24:15,409 --> 00:24:13,260
they are moving very very much towards

608
00:24:17,570 --> 00:24:15,419
that I know that they have been out

609
00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:17,580
there speaking with our congressman and

610
00:24:20,930 --> 00:24:19,679
it's been very well received we're

611
00:24:22,850 --> 00:24:20,940
seeing

612
00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:22,860
um cooperation on both sides of the

613
00:24:26,990 --> 00:24:24,960
aisle that Republicans and Democrats

614
00:24:28,970 --> 00:24:27,000
alike are very excited about this they

615
00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:28,980
want to get to the root of it and I

616
00:24:32,270 --> 00:24:30,000
think that it's a whole different

617
00:24:34,610 --> 00:24:32,280
atmosphere that we're seeing now than

618
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:34,620
opposed to when they were doing Blue

619
00:24:39,529 --> 00:24:36,720
Book and everything

620
00:24:41,810 --> 00:24:39,539
um they did such a darn good job back

621
00:24:43,310 --> 00:24:41,820
whenever you know project Grudge was

622
00:24:46,190 --> 00:24:43,320
around and they were trying to discredit

623
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:46,200
UFOs now they're trying to undo it all

624
00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:48,720
these years later you know they're like

625
00:24:51,890 --> 00:24:50,159
no really there's something in the sky

626
00:24:54,590 --> 00:24:51,900
now you know there's something that we

627
00:24:56,090 --> 00:24:54,600
can't identify that that's happening

628
00:24:58,430 --> 00:24:56,100
um and so they're they're trying to get

629
00:25:00,590 --> 00:24:58,440
that word out now and kind of change

630
00:25:03,289 --> 00:25:00,600
that narrative where it can be much more

631
00:25:05,450 --> 00:25:03,299
of an open dialogue and not the ridicule

632
00:25:08,350 --> 00:25:05,460
that's been traditionally attached to it

633
00:25:12,830 --> 00:25:08,360
but I think that um

634
00:25:15,409 --> 00:25:12,840
that we are in a position now to

635
00:25:17,450 --> 00:25:15,419
collaborate with them where we can bring

636
00:25:19,549 --> 00:25:17,460
years and years of experience together

637
00:25:22,190 --> 00:25:19,559
with the funding that the government has

638
00:25:24,529 --> 00:25:22,200
and the capabilities that they have I

639
00:25:26,990 --> 00:25:24,539
mean let's face it mufon is a non-profit

640
00:25:30,649 --> 00:25:27,000
we do not have you know access to

641
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:30,659
satellites you know all of the the you

642
00:25:33,890 --> 00:25:31,919
know high dollar things that our

643
00:25:36,049 --> 00:25:33,900
government has and I think that we have

644
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:36,059
an opportunity here to really get closer

645
00:25:40,490 --> 00:25:38,159
to answering the questions that we've

646
00:25:42,409 --> 00:25:40,500
had for all of these years I think it's

647
00:25:45,710 --> 00:25:42,419
our best shot and I think that we have

648
00:25:48,649 --> 00:25:45,720
to approach it in good faith and hope

649
00:25:49,730 --> 00:25:48,659
that our government is doing so as well

650
00:25:51,890 --> 00:25:49,740
um I think that there's probably

651
00:25:53,870 --> 00:25:51,900
factions within the government some are

652
00:25:55,250 --> 00:25:53,880
wanting to keep things more secret I

653
00:25:56,930 --> 00:25:55,260
think some are wanting it to come to

654
00:25:58,909 --> 00:25:56,940
light and we know that some are wanting

655
00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:58,919
it to come to light we've seen Rubio and

656
00:26:02,570 --> 00:26:00,960
other you know come forward and saying

657
00:26:05,450 --> 00:26:02,580
we need to know about this the American

658
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:05,460
people deserve to know and

659
00:26:09,950 --> 00:26:07,679
you know that that's what we're heading

660
00:26:13,250 --> 00:26:09,960
towards that's what we're trying to get

661
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:13,260
with any kind of collaboration and I

662
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:15,120
know that that they've been in constant

663
00:26:19,970 --> 00:26:17,279
talks with the government

664
00:26:21,890 --> 00:26:19,980
um and things have been going well that

665
00:26:23,630 --> 00:26:21,900
that's as far as I know

666
00:26:26,570 --> 00:26:23,640
um and that's kind of what Dave's put

667
00:26:29,149 --> 00:26:26,580
out in the the mufon journal and you

668
00:26:31,610 --> 00:26:29,159
know I'm hoping to hear good news soon I

669
00:26:34,010 --> 00:26:31,620
would look forward to it and I'll tell

670
00:26:36,649 --> 00:26:34,020
you I'm not approaching it from a place

671
00:26:39,230 --> 00:26:36,659
of ignorance one of the first things I

672
00:26:41,810 --> 00:26:39,240
did whenever they brought that up

673
00:26:43,970 --> 00:26:41,820
um that you know that we might be trying

674
00:26:45,529 --> 00:26:43,980
to to partner with the government in

675
00:26:47,630 --> 00:26:45,539
researching

676
00:26:49,669 --> 00:26:47,640
um I look back to see what happened with

677
00:26:51,769 --> 00:26:49,679
the Bigelow agreement

678
00:26:53,630 --> 00:26:51,779
because I thought okay well maybe this

679
00:26:55,789 --> 00:26:53,640
will Echo that one of the first

680
00:26:58,490 --> 00:26:55,799
criticisms I heard from people was you

681
00:27:01,070 --> 00:26:58,500
know it now people are not going to have

682
00:27:02,930 --> 00:27:01,080
a place to go that's safe if mufon teams

683
00:27:04,430 --> 00:27:02,940
up with the government and that's a very

684
00:27:07,490 --> 00:27:04,440
real concern

685
00:27:09,529 --> 00:27:07,500
um and I was concerned about it too

686
00:27:13,310 --> 00:27:09,539
what happened with the Bigelow agreement

687
00:27:16,669 --> 00:27:13,320
was mufon put a thing on their website

688
00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:16,679
whenever people went to report a UFO and

689
00:27:21,409 --> 00:27:18,480
they could opt out of sharing it with

690
00:27:24,350 --> 00:27:21,419
third parties and so I'm I wonder if

691
00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:24,360
that is what we will be doing if there

692
00:27:28,669 --> 00:27:26,159
is any kind of an agreement where people

693
00:27:30,890 --> 00:27:28,679
can opt out of hey I just wanted to stay

694
00:27:32,330 --> 00:27:30,900
with mufon or it's okay to go ahead and

695
00:27:34,130 --> 00:27:32,340
share this

696
00:27:38,090 --> 00:27:34,140
um I don't know if that's how it will go

697
00:27:40,669 --> 00:27:38,100
but that gave me confidence and

698
00:27:43,789 --> 00:27:40,679
um insecurity and that knowing that

699
00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:43,799
people will be protected or they they

700
00:27:47,570 --> 00:27:45,840
were protected before through the

701
00:27:49,310 --> 00:27:47,580
Bigelow agreement

702
00:27:51,470 --> 00:27:49,320
um and so people that did not want it

703
00:27:54,409 --> 00:27:51,480
shared it was not shared with with

704
00:27:56,649 --> 00:27:54,419
anybody outside and move on right which

705
00:27:59,630 --> 00:27:56,659
was one of the main concerns is move on

706
00:28:00,890 --> 00:27:59,640
a lot of people have heard of it but a

707
00:28:02,330 --> 00:28:00,900
lot of people have not heard of it

708
00:28:03,710 --> 00:28:02,340
they're just oh actually you know just

709
00:28:05,930 --> 00:28:03,720
found out about it through this podcast

710
00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:05,940
or because it was recently mentioned in

711
00:28:10,850 --> 00:28:08,640
the news so you we haven't really

712
00:28:12,049 --> 00:28:10,860
established that trust yet to say hey

713
00:28:14,210 --> 00:28:12,059
we're working along with the government

714
00:28:15,950 --> 00:28:14,220
well who's MoveOn and people look into

715
00:28:17,930 --> 00:28:15,960
it maybe there's yeah you're right they

716
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:17,940
might be trust issues there because

717
00:28:22,130 --> 00:28:20,159
nobody really trusts the government and

718
00:28:25,070 --> 00:28:22,140
the government set an interest in these

719
00:28:27,289 --> 00:28:25,080
things uh as of late has been you know

720
00:28:29,450 --> 00:28:27,299
sort of dubious at best I mean we don't

721
00:28:31,370 --> 00:28:29,460
know what they're up to and why they

722
00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:31,380
care all of a sudden

723
00:28:35,630 --> 00:28:33,600
um speaking of which uh we have to

724
00:28:37,490 --> 00:28:35,640
address this because it is February 12th

725
00:28:40,130 --> 00:28:37,500
as we're recording this there is a flap

726
00:28:44,810 --> 00:28:40,140
that's going on right now there's been

727
00:28:47,810 --> 00:28:44,820
five incidences with UFOs or uaps in

728
00:28:49,610 --> 00:28:47,820
North America and now China as well with

729
00:28:50,990 --> 00:28:49,620
so let's talk a little bit about this

730
00:28:52,010 --> 00:28:51,000
little flap that we're having because

731
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:52,020
some people are going to be wondering

732
00:28:56,390 --> 00:28:54,000
about about this Louie I'm going to pick

733
00:28:58,370 --> 00:28:56,400
your brain first uh what do you think is

734
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:58,380
going on like it's sort of strange times

735
00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:00,720
now yeah so we'll summarize best we can

736
00:29:04,669 --> 00:29:03,120
again this is 2PM Pacific Time right now

737
00:29:06,350 --> 00:29:04,679
and this is cool we're actually in the

738
00:29:09,409 --> 00:29:06,360
middle of a mini flap this has never

739
00:29:11,690 --> 00:29:09,419
happened uh that I can remember at least

740
00:29:13,730 --> 00:29:11,700
not with multiple reporting so very cool

741
00:29:15,470 --> 00:29:13,740
apparently Thursday

742
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:15,480
um and again a week or two ago we had

743
00:29:21,409 --> 00:29:17,520
this Chinese balloon that made worldwide

744
00:29:24,350 --> 00:29:21,419
news so on Thursday a UAP was reported

745
00:29:25,850 --> 00:29:24,360
uh in Alaska and it apparently was shot

746
00:29:29,210 --> 00:29:25,860
down now apparently that was shot down

747
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:29,220
on Frozen Waters there is debris initial

748
00:29:32,090 --> 00:29:30,480
results are even though they're

749
00:29:34,250 --> 00:29:32,100
collecting debris they don't know what

750
00:29:36,289 --> 00:29:34,260
it's from maybe falling from that height

751
00:29:39,769 --> 00:29:36,299
it blew up who knows so that's ongoing

752
00:29:41,889 --> 00:29:39,779
so that was Thursday Friday in the Yukon

753
00:29:43,669 --> 00:29:41,899
Canada which also borders near Alaska

754
00:29:45,529 --> 00:29:43,679
there was a joint effort between

755
00:29:48,409 --> 00:29:45,539
Canadian and American forces to shoot

756
00:29:50,690 --> 00:29:48,419
down another UAP I believe the Americans

757
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:50,700
did shoot it but Canada and America has

758
00:29:56,029 --> 00:29:53,279
a NATO agreement NORAD is also in the

759
00:29:57,769 --> 00:29:56,039
northern part of North America so the

760
00:29:59,570 --> 00:29:57,779
Americans did the Gunning but so that

761
00:30:03,230 --> 00:29:59,580
was number two number three I believe

762
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:03,240
was last night my Montana closed a

763
00:30:07,730 --> 00:30:05,039
certain part of their airspace due to

764
00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:07,740
anomalous phenomena and I believe that

765
00:30:12,649 --> 00:30:10,559
area is also close to bases and reported

766
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:12,659
underground things missile silos who

767
00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:15,360
knows and then this afternoon now there

768
00:30:20,510 --> 00:30:17,760
was a report that Michigan over Lake

769
00:30:22,130 --> 00:30:20,520
closed their airspace and the subsequent

770
00:30:25,250 --> 00:30:22,140
report said that they are now scrambling

771
00:30:27,710 --> 00:30:25,260
Jets and then China reported one as well

772
00:30:29,210 --> 00:30:27,720
so five incidences in the last three or

773
00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:29,220
four days

774
00:30:32,029 --> 00:30:30,720
um yeah let's get everybody's thoughts

775
00:30:34,130 --> 00:30:32,039
on that what do you think Mindy have you

776
00:30:37,250 --> 00:30:34,140
been following this uh well of course I

777
00:30:38,570 --> 00:30:37,260
have but I'll tell you I think one of

778
00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:38,580
the interesting things about the

779
00:30:44,450 --> 00:30:40,559
reporting on it is that we're seeing the

780
00:30:45,950 --> 00:30:44,460
terminology UFO instead of UAP when

781
00:30:48,590 --> 00:30:45,960
they're talking about this or weather

782
00:30:50,269 --> 00:30:48,600
balloon for that matter yeah I I think

783
00:30:52,190 --> 00:30:50,279
it's interesting that they're using that

784
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:52,200
terminology in the media as opposed to

785
00:30:55,310 --> 00:30:53,520
UAP

786
00:30:57,289 --> 00:30:55,320
um and I really don't have any

787
00:30:59,330 --> 00:30:57,299
conclusions about what it is I you know

788
00:31:01,010 --> 00:30:59,340
everybody else is wondering what it is

789
00:31:03,470 --> 00:31:01,020
and they're asking me and I'm saying I

790
00:31:05,210 --> 00:31:03,480
don't know you know I'm waiting to see

791
00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:05,220
you know what they they come out with

792
00:31:10,370 --> 00:31:07,440
I've heard different things uh the one

793
00:31:12,889 --> 00:31:10,380
over Alaska supposedly didn't have any

794
00:31:16,130 --> 00:31:12,899
propulsion any means of propulsion on it

795
00:31:17,389 --> 00:31:16,140
and one of the the jet Pilots had said

796
00:31:19,549 --> 00:31:17,399
that it interfered with his

797
00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:19,559
instrumentation some

798
00:31:23,630 --> 00:31:21,600
um so I mean obviously there's something

799
00:31:26,090 --> 00:31:23,640
going on there then the one that was

800
00:31:27,409 --> 00:31:26,100
shot down the was it the balloon that

801
00:31:28,909 --> 00:31:27,419
was shot down over

802
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:28,919
um the coast of North Carolina South

803
00:31:32,930 --> 00:31:31,200
Carolina they're still recovering bits

804
00:31:34,730 --> 00:31:32,940
of it uh

805
00:31:36,529 --> 00:31:34,740
and you know we're not hearing much

806
00:31:38,930 --> 00:31:36,539
about kind of its construction or if

807
00:31:40,970 --> 00:31:38,940
it's anything like the others I think

808
00:31:43,190 --> 00:31:40,980
that this is really

809
00:31:45,769 --> 00:31:43,200
um pointing to the importance of the

810
00:31:47,389 --> 00:31:45,779
formation of Arrow and the ability to

811
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:47,399
share that kind of information between

812
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:49,200
the the Departments within the

813
00:31:54,169 --> 00:31:51,840
government with tracking anomalous

814
00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:54,179
things in the skies and I think that

815
00:31:59,510 --> 00:31:57,600
even it shows why mufon would be an

816
00:32:01,850 --> 00:31:59,520
important part of that because if we're

817
00:32:04,190 --> 00:32:01,860
having civilians on the ground reporting

818
00:32:06,889 --> 00:32:04,200
lots and lots of things you know in one

819
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:06,899
area then it's kind of sending up those

820
00:32:10,250 --> 00:32:08,640
red flags where the government can go in

821
00:32:12,169 --> 00:32:10,260
check with the different departments and

822
00:32:13,789 --> 00:32:12,179
say okay we've got a lot of civilians

823
00:32:17,210 --> 00:32:13,799
reporting something over here in Alaska

824
00:32:19,909 --> 00:32:17,220
we need to see what's going on you know

825
00:32:21,649 --> 00:32:19,919
um it is a matter of National Security I

826
00:32:23,750 --> 00:32:21,659
don't know if this is alien I don't know

827
00:32:27,350 --> 00:32:23,760
if it's from China you know I I don't

828
00:32:29,690 --> 00:32:27,360
know but uh it's something that we need

829
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:29,700
to be aware of and we need to be able to

830
00:32:35,090 --> 00:32:32,640
track and um I think that arrow is a

831
00:32:36,110 --> 00:32:35,100
very good good office to be able to to

832
00:32:38,149 --> 00:32:36,120
do that

833
00:32:40,010 --> 00:32:38,159
interesting choice of language too like

834
00:32:41,269 --> 00:32:40,020
the weather but the balloon was a

835
00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:41,279
balloon it's always been called a

836
00:32:44,330 --> 00:32:43,200
balloon and the thing I don't understand

837
00:32:46,250 --> 00:32:44,340
is how do they know it was a Chinese

838
00:32:48,289 --> 00:32:46,260
balloon on the first report like that

839
00:32:50,210 --> 00:32:48,299
but anyway that's we can get down that

840
00:32:52,010 --> 00:32:50,220
rabbit hole of conspiracy theories and

841
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:52,020
all the rest but that's clearly a

842
00:32:56,750 --> 00:32:54,480
balloon the others have been called UFOs

843
00:32:58,610 --> 00:32:56,760
uh one of the reports back I think was

844
00:33:00,590 --> 00:32:58,620
ABC news they had said that it was

845
00:33:03,110 --> 00:33:00,600
cylindrical so we're not talking a

846
00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:03,120
balloon if it is a cylinder and then you

847
00:33:07,549 --> 00:33:05,760
hear the report of 40 000 feet but no

848
00:33:09,529 --> 00:33:07,559
visual sign of propulsion I'm thinking

849
00:33:11,570 --> 00:33:09,539
like five you know the five observables

850
00:33:13,850 --> 00:33:11,580
where there's no control surfaces no

851
00:33:16,430 --> 00:33:13,860
heat they just seem to be cruising at

852
00:33:19,370 --> 00:33:16,440
forty thousand feet with nothing as an

853
00:33:20,570 --> 00:33:19,380
engine no uh no heat signature on on

854
00:33:22,669 --> 00:33:20,580
that type of radar and then

855
00:33:24,169 --> 00:33:22,679
malfunctioning with people's you know

856
00:33:26,090 --> 00:33:24,179
equipment

857
00:33:28,130 --> 00:33:26,100
um yeah and uh it's interesting that

858
00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:28,140
they use the more stigmatic term like

859
00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:30,720
UFO versus UAP

860
00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:32,159
um yeah I don't know I my personal

861
00:33:36,649 --> 00:33:34,559
opinion I think this points to man-made

862
00:33:39,250 --> 00:33:36,659
I don't think we can actually shoot down

863
00:33:41,330 --> 00:33:39,260
real UFOs just due to technological

864
00:33:42,649 --> 00:33:41,340
amazement you know like we're not even

865
00:33:44,750 --> 00:33:42,659
close

866
00:33:46,130 --> 00:33:44,760
um but yeah if it was really they wanted

867
00:33:47,930 --> 00:33:46,140
to keep it secret they would it wouldn't

868
00:33:49,970 --> 00:33:47,940
be in all the news so is this a

869
00:33:52,610 --> 00:33:49,980
controlled disclosure is this kind of

870
00:33:53,870 --> 00:33:52,620
like a false flag event you know there

871
00:33:55,310 --> 00:33:53,880
was somebody who commented on that a

872
00:33:58,130 --> 00:33:55,320
month ago that there's a false flag

873
00:34:01,789 --> 00:33:58,140
event coming in a month's time and now

874
00:34:03,110 --> 00:34:01,799
all this so I find it very coincidental

875
00:34:04,549 --> 00:34:03,120
um what do you think Jay you've been

876
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:04,559
pretty quiet over there I can see you're

877
00:34:09,409 --> 00:34:06,000
thinking what do you think oh motorcycle

878
00:34:11,570 --> 00:34:09,419
uh I think it's a play usually the media

879
00:34:15,050 --> 00:34:11,580
and especially the government is very

880
00:34:17,570 --> 00:34:15,060
particular on their choice of words even

881
00:34:19,550 --> 00:34:17,580
the blue tie you know you're the one who

882
00:34:22,250 --> 00:34:19,560
mentioned that to me uh Louis the blue

883
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:22,260
conveys trust yeah and you know people

884
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:23,760
can trust you more if you're wearing

885
00:34:28,909 --> 00:34:26,639
blue blue suit blue tie right that's

886
00:34:31,010 --> 00:34:28,919
exactly what that spokesman for the

887
00:34:33,050 --> 00:34:31,020
White House was wearing a nice blue tie

888
00:34:36,409 --> 00:34:33,060
breaking in the story was shot you know

889
00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:36,419
what UAP or UFO above Alaska no worry

890
00:34:41,210 --> 00:34:38,639
about it but you should know right

891
00:34:43,609 --> 00:34:41,220
something's going on I I don't know it's

892
00:34:46,250 --> 00:34:43,619
the perfect you know I think storm of

893
00:34:48,770 --> 00:34:46,260
the fact that you also have us on edge

894
00:34:50,510 --> 00:34:48,780
thinking this China China's ability to

895
00:34:52,849 --> 00:34:50,520
spy on us maybe they have weather

896
00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:52,859
balloons everywhere but then China's

897
00:34:56,030 --> 00:34:54,720
going hey we got him too

898
00:34:57,710 --> 00:34:56,040
um you know we got to clear out an area

899
00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:57,720
like earlier today who knows if they

900
00:35:01,910 --> 00:34:59,280
shot it down or not but they did clear

901
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:01,920
an area they did send out a warning uh

902
00:35:05,810 --> 00:35:04,320
they're experiencing it as much as the

903
00:35:07,849 --> 00:35:05,820
United States and I doubt that the

904
00:35:09,890 --> 00:35:07,859
United States would allow

905
00:35:12,410 --> 00:35:09,900
crafts to come that close to the

906
00:35:14,569 --> 00:35:12,420
military installations and especially if

907
00:35:18,050 --> 00:35:14,579
they're keeping nukes or any Warheads

908
00:35:20,810 --> 00:35:18,060
you know around that vicinity and and

909
00:35:23,210 --> 00:35:20,820
say no no fly zones you know something's

910
00:35:24,650 --> 00:35:23,220
there that that to me is not China

911
00:35:26,930 --> 00:35:24,660
there's no way you could go halfway

912
00:35:28,910 --> 00:35:26,940
through a country and just settle there

913
00:35:30,530 --> 00:35:28,920
and watch their operations at close

914
00:35:32,530 --> 00:35:30,540
range let's just let's face it that's

915
00:35:35,569 --> 00:35:32,540
not with a balloon

916
00:35:37,970 --> 00:35:35,579
with a camera doing what you were doing

917
00:35:39,290 --> 00:35:37,980
we're just watching yeah like give them

918
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:39,300
a little more credit than that if

919
00:35:43,849 --> 00:35:41,280
they're gonna spy they know how to spy

920
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:43,859
by now we do the Russians do Chinese do

921
00:35:47,569 --> 00:35:45,119
pretty sure that's what all the

922
00:35:48,829 --> 00:35:47,579
satellites are for I I can't see them

923
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:48,839
being like yeah let's just see if

924
00:35:52,010 --> 00:35:50,400
they'll catch a balloon with a pencil

925
00:35:53,690 --> 00:35:52,020
attached to it it doesn't make sense

926
00:35:55,730 --> 00:35:53,700
yeah and if you got like the efficient

927
00:36:00,109 --> 00:35:55,740
was it the the governor or the senator

928
00:36:02,450 --> 00:36:00,119
of of uh I won't say Montana much of it

929
00:36:03,770 --> 00:36:02,460
was Montana the one with the uh recent

930
00:36:05,210 --> 00:36:03,780
sighting anyways he's saying yeah

931
00:36:06,770 --> 00:36:05,220
there's something there like it may be

932
00:36:09,650 --> 00:36:06,780
nothing or it may be something it's like

933
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:09,660
wow that's really freaking vague like it

934
00:36:12,170 --> 00:36:10,800
could be something or it could be

935
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:12,180
nothing well what if it is something

936
00:36:16,130 --> 00:36:14,640
like that's that's breaking news you

937
00:36:18,829 --> 00:36:16,140
know is there something in controlled

938
00:36:20,569 --> 00:36:18,839
airspace or not yeah let's just clarify

939
00:36:22,250 --> 00:36:20,579
that yeah and he pretty much said there

940
00:36:24,410 --> 00:36:22,260
was that there was no there's just but

941
00:36:25,790 --> 00:36:24,420
it could be nothing you know like I hate

942
00:36:27,290 --> 00:36:25,800
when they say that could be nothing like

943
00:36:29,870 --> 00:36:27,300
it's not some kid playing around with a

944
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:29,880
drone I mean this is a craft at forty

945
00:36:34,849 --> 00:36:32,640
thousand feet yeah yeah or directly

946
00:36:36,770 --> 00:36:34,859
above their their installation so I mean

947
00:36:39,050 --> 00:36:36,780
we keep hearing about that like it could

948
00:36:41,089 --> 00:36:39,060
be you know Russians I don't think so

949
00:36:43,370 --> 00:36:41,099
you know the logistics of getting the

950
00:36:45,650 --> 00:36:43,380
craft to that specific location in the

951
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:45,660
middle of a country is a nightmare much

952
00:36:49,490 --> 00:36:47,760
less like being visible to the rest of

953
00:36:50,990 --> 00:36:49,500
the crew on the ground so yeah

954
00:36:52,910 --> 00:36:51,000
something's going on I'm not quite sure

955
00:36:54,890 --> 00:36:52,920
that's a good point that's the point of

956
00:36:56,690 --> 00:36:54,900
spying not to get caught get the info

957
00:36:58,370 --> 00:36:56,700
get the hell out nobody knows you were

958
00:37:01,190 --> 00:36:58,380
there I'm pretty sure that's put the CIA

959
00:37:02,810 --> 00:37:01,200
working on forever but yeah anyway we

960
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:02,820
digress we want to get back to mufon

961
00:37:06,829 --> 00:37:05,040
again because on Friday mufon was

962
00:37:09,230 --> 00:37:06,839
featured on the new episode of Ancient

963
00:37:10,849 --> 00:37:09,240
Aliens and Mindy was on there among some

964
00:37:13,069 --> 00:37:10,859
other Brilliant Minds and contributors

965
00:37:15,890 --> 00:37:13,079
so for those people listening in Canada

966
00:37:17,450 --> 00:37:15,900
it did not air I think there's a delay

967
00:37:19,490 --> 00:37:17,460
in the network or perhaps it's going to

968
00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:19,500
come at a later date but it did air in

969
00:37:22,430 --> 00:37:21,359
the states and Mindy maybe you could

970
00:37:25,790 --> 00:37:22,440
just tell us a little bit about that

971
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:25,800
episode and what was discussed yeah it

972
00:37:31,609 --> 00:37:28,800
it turned out so good I'm so proud of

973
00:37:33,589 --> 00:37:31,619
them and and the episode that they were

974
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:33,599
able to put together at Ancient Aliens

975
00:37:38,030 --> 00:37:36,480
they were wonderful to work with

976
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:38,040
um I'll tell you when they flew me out

977
00:37:42,290 --> 00:37:40,320
they just made me feel like family and

978
00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:42,300
just took me in and guided me through

979
00:37:48,890 --> 00:37:45,119
the whole thing and I couldn't speak any

980
00:37:50,930 --> 00:37:48,900
more highly of their whole crew and so

981
00:37:53,630 --> 00:37:50,940
the the episode was basically I was told

982
00:37:56,030 --> 00:37:53,640
and I heard that Earl Gray was told this

983
00:37:58,849 --> 00:37:56,040
as well that it was Ancient Ancient

984
00:38:02,030 --> 00:37:58,859
Aliens Love Letter to move on and it

985
00:38:04,069 --> 00:38:02,040
really came across that way uh they just

986
00:38:06,910 --> 00:38:04,079
kind of gave everybody a an introduction

987
00:38:10,089 --> 00:38:06,920
to what mufon is and kind of our history

988
00:38:12,290 --> 00:38:10,099
and they had me on there speaking about

989
00:38:13,730 --> 00:38:12,300
the miracle Mountain schoolyard

990
00:38:16,849 --> 00:38:13,740
encounter that happened here in Oklahoma

991
00:38:18,829 --> 00:38:16,859
and was the number one case of the Year

992
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:18,839
this last year and I got to present that

993
00:38:23,450 --> 00:38:21,599
at the Symposium and they had Earl Gray

994
00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:23,460
on there speaking about his personal

995
00:38:27,770 --> 00:38:25,440
encounter that he had not following

996
00:38:30,170 --> 00:38:27,780
becoming a field investigator with mufon

997
00:38:33,230 --> 00:38:30,180
and I think that was the first time he's

998
00:38:34,730 --> 00:38:33,240
ever shared that publicly and so I I was

999
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:34,740
proud of him for being able to come

1000
00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:36,480
forward and share that I know he was

1001
00:38:41,150 --> 00:38:38,640
kind of nervous but he did such a

1002
00:38:43,310 --> 00:38:41,160
wonderful job and

1003
00:38:45,890 --> 00:38:43,320
um Kathleen Martin made an appearance on

1004
00:38:48,290 --> 00:38:45,900
there in support of him I know that he

1005
00:38:49,970 --> 00:38:48,300
and her are very close and and he was

1006
00:38:51,650 --> 00:38:49,980
really hoping that she'd be able to make

1007
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:51,660
it on there and so it was kind of a

1008
00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:54,480
surprise to him so that was kind of neat

1009
00:38:58,970 --> 00:38:56,160
um let's see they showed the boot camp

1010
00:39:01,849 --> 00:38:58,980
that takes part uh takes place out in in

1011
00:39:04,130 --> 00:39:01,859
Arizona every year and

1012
00:39:07,010 --> 00:39:04,140
um I told them that they can probably

1013
00:39:09,890 --> 00:39:07,020
expect it to be overflowing next year

1014
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:09,900
because there's like a limited number of

1015
00:39:14,210 --> 00:39:12,000
of spots I think it's like 40 or 50 that

1016
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:14,220
they allow and so I'm sure that people

1017
00:39:17,810 --> 00:39:15,839
are going to be fighting for spots there

1018
00:39:20,930 --> 00:39:17,820
next year because they they do an

1019
00:39:22,970 --> 00:39:20,940
amazing job everything I've seen of it

1020
00:39:24,890 --> 00:39:22,980
um I've seen Stacy Wright the state

1021
00:39:27,410 --> 00:39:24,900
director there speak about something the

1022
00:39:30,910 --> 00:39:27,420
things that they do at the boot camp and

1023
00:39:34,130 --> 00:39:30,920
I kind of want to go myself

1024
00:39:36,890 --> 00:39:34,140
they highlighted that they highlighted

1025
00:39:37,970 --> 00:39:36,900
um let's see Jeremy Ray was supposed to

1026
00:39:39,589 --> 00:39:37,980
be on there

1027
00:39:42,170 --> 00:39:39,599
um but I guess he's going to be on a

1028
00:39:44,410 --> 00:39:42,180
later episode so

1029
00:39:46,849 --> 00:39:44,420
um I know I'm leaving something out but

1030
00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:46,859
it was just it was an incredible episode

1031
00:39:52,250 --> 00:39:50,400
and I've already watched it twice so you

1032
00:39:53,810 --> 00:39:52,260
said that mufon lines are blowing up now

1033
00:39:57,290 --> 00:39:53,820
you guys are getting case reports hand

1034
00:39:58,910 --> 00:39:57,300
over fist yeah um Earl had said that I

1035
00:40:01,370 --> 00:39:58,920
think there were 13 reports from

1036
00:40:04,609 --> 00:40:01,380
experiencers that rolled in just while

1037
00:40:07,130 --> 00:40:04,619
the the episode was airing I woke up the

1038
00:40:10,010 --> 00:40:07,140
next day my phone started ringing at 6

1039
00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:10,020
00 a.m I had over 300 friend requests in

1040
00:40:18,530 --> 00:40:15,359
my personal Facebook yeah and my emails

1041
00:40:21,770 --> 00:40:18,540
was just blowed up I mean there was 50

1042
00:40:23,930 --> 00:40:21,780
60 emails we've got probably 10

1043
00:40:27,349 --> 00:40:23,940
different reports here in Oklahoma which

1044
00:40:29,870 --> 00:40:27,359
is you know a huge increase for just one

1045
00:40:32,930 --> 00:40:29,880
night normally we get

1046
00:40:35,870 --> 00:40:32,940
um about 100 cases a year so to have 10

1047
00:40:39,170 --> 00:40:35,880
cases in one night that's that's a huge

1048
00:40:40,730 --> 00:40:39,180
increase and people reaching out I'll

1049
00:40:43,250 --> 00:40:40,740
tell you one of my favorite thing that's

1050
00:40:44,990 --> 00:40:43,260
happened as a result of it is I'm

1051
00:40:47,870 --> 00:40:45,000
hearing from people from the hearts or

1052
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:47,880
an area that grew up there that is where

1053
00:40:51,470 --> 00:40:49,680
the miracle mountains encounter took

1054
00:40:54,410 --> 00:40:51,480
place which was this big schoolyard

1055
00:40:56,089 --> 00:40:54,420
encounter back in the 70s that I was

1056
00:40:59,630 --> 00:40:56,099
lucky enough to be able to to

1057
00:41:02,630 --> 00:40:59,640
investigate this last year and there is

1058
00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:02,640
some weird stuff around heart sword and

1059
00:41:08,210 --> 00:41:05,760
a lot of it got cut from the episode uh

1060
00:41:10,670 --> 00:41:08,220
and I I know that some of the producers

1061
00:41:12,650 --> 00:41:10,680
were wanting to maybe try to make it its

1062
00:41:15,650 --> 00:41:12,660
own episode because there was there's so

1063
00:41:17,810 --> 00:41:15,660
much to this case that I mean it took me

1064
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:17,820
nearly a year to investigate it and I

1065
00:41:21,349 --> 00:41:19,440
could still spend another 10 years

1066
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:21,359
investigating it and not have all the

1067
00:41:27,890 --> 00:41:23,760
information there were

1068
00:41:30,050 --> 00:41:27,900
um nearly 20 and 20 witnesses to it and

1069
00:41:32,990 --> 00:41:30,060
they were all kids except for two adults

1070
00:41:35,210 --> 00:41:33,000
that were there and they saw a craft

1071
00:41:37,310 --> 00:41:35,220
come in it kind of hovered over the area

1072
00:41:39,410 --> 00:41:37,320
where the it was a boarding school so

1073
00:41:42,170 --> 00:41:39,420
they all lived there it kind of hovered

1074
00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:42,180
over the area and and it came closer to

1075
00:41:45,829 --> 00:41:44,400
them and they saw the underbelly of it

1076
00:41:48,109 --> 00:41:45,839
and

1077
00:41:51,050 --> 00:41:48,119
um just saw it rotating with lights

1078
00:41:53,390 --> 00:41:51,060
rotating around it and it kind of made a

1079
00:41:56,030 --> 00:41:53,400
whoosh noise and took off and and this

1080
00:41:58,670 --> 00:41:56,040
took place over a couple of hours that

1081
00:42:00,589 --> 00:41:58,680
that this whole thing transpired the

1082
00:42:04,370 --> 00:42:00,599
teacher that was there she went on to

1083
00:42:07,069 --> 00:42:04,380
become a doctor and she has wanted to

1084
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:07,079
remain anonymous to the public but she

1085
00:42:10,430 --> 00:42:08,400
had actually told Ancient Aliens go

1086
00:42:12,589 --> 00:42:10,440
ahead and share my information and now

1087
00:42:15,290 --> 00:42:12,599
you know it's out there

1088
00:42:17,329 --> 00:42:15,300
um but so always say that she's a doctor

1089
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:17,339
now she's a well-respected person and

1090
00:42:20,750 --> 00:42:18,960
and she was the one that really kind of

1091
00:42:23,210 --> 00:42:20,760
filled in the gaps with this whole

1092
00:42:25,310 --> 00:42:23,220
encounter

1093
00:42:27,170 --> 00:42:25,320
um it went on through the night the

1094
00:42:29,150 --> 00:42:27,180
oldest boy was standing guard with the

1095
00:42:31,609 --> 00:42:29,160
shotgun they were boarding up windows

1096
00:42:33,470 --> 00:42:31,619
and doors they had scared kids they were

1097
00:42:35,870 --> 00:42:33,480
pulling out from under beds they were

1098
00:42:37,550 --> 00:42:35,880
huddled around the um fireplace in the

1099
00:42:40,130 --> 00:42:37,560
living room and they were seeing

1100
00:42:42,170 --> 00:42:40,140
entities out the window that they said

1101
00:42:44,569 --> 00:42:42,180
just kept changing so I guess kind of

1102
00:42:45,770 --> 00:42:44,579
shape-shifting kind of entities out

1103
00:42:47,510 --> 00:42:45,780
there

1104
00:42:50,270 --> 00:42:47,520
um and it went on throughout the night

1105
00:42:51,710 --> 00:42:50,280
that that they stayed terrified the kids

1106
00:42:53,450 --> 00:42:51,720
don't remember that the kids remember

1107
00:42:56,569 --> 00:42:53,460
going in and just having a normal

1108
00:42:58,670 --> 00:42:56,579
evening after seeing this UFO so close

1109
00:43:01,490 --> 00:42:58,680
to them you know within 60 feet overall

1110
00:43:03,950 --> 00:43:01,500
and then they were like oh we just went

1111
00:43:05,930 --> 00:43:03,960
in and went to bed you know but that

1112
00:43:08,089 --> 00:43:05,940
that's their reality that's their memory

1113
00:43:10,370 --> 00:43:08,099
of it whereas the teacher said no there

1114
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:10,380
was a lot more and they actually packed

1115
00:43:15,410 --> 00:43:12,960
up sack lunches that next day and took a

1116
00:43:17,870 --> 00:43:15,420
trip up to the Sawmill where they had

1117
00:43:20,089 --> 00:43:17,880
saw it take off and and kind of settle

1118
00:43:21,650 --> 00:43:20,099
over in that area and so they went up

1119
00:43:24,349 --> 00:43:21,660
there to kind of see if they could find

1120
00:43:26,809 --> 00:43:24,359
any room of it you know or any any

1121
00:43:29,329 --> 00:43:26,819
evidence of it being there and they

1122
00:43:31,550 --> 00:43:29,339
weren't able to locate anything but

1123
00:43:33,609 --> 00:43:31,560
um but they nonetheless they'd taken a

1124
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:33,619
field trip up there to look for the UFO

1125
00:43:38,210 --> 00:43:36,000
and came back

1126
00:43:40,190 --> 00:43:38,220
um and they discovered that the meat

1127
00:43:42,349 --> 00:43:40,200
locker that was outside had been emptied

1128
00:43:44,210 --> 00:43:42,359
of all of the beef and the teacher said

1129
00:43:47,150 --> 00:43:44,220
that had like two sides of beef in there

1130
00:43:49,849 --> 00:43:47,160
and some of the older kids remember that

1131
00:43:52,730 --> 00:43:49,859
that the meat had gone missing within a

1132
00:43:54,530 --> 00:43:52,740
day or so it was returned so there was

1133
00:43:56,390 --> 00:43:54,540
two sides of processed beef that just

1134
00:43:58,250 --> 00:43:56,400
went completely missing there was cattle

1135
00:44:00,349 --> 00:43:58,260
there at the at the boarding school

1136
00:44:04,130 --> 00:44:00,359
cattle were left untouched but the

1137
00:44:06,349 --> 00:44:04,140
process beef was missing and I went on I

1138
00:44:09,710 --> 00:44:06,359
I spoke about this at the public library

1139
00:44:11,630 --> 00:44:09,720
here in Oklahoma and it was kind of a a

1140
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:11,640
it was called paranormal Fest and they

1141
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:13,440
had big Footers there and they had me

1142
00:44:16,910 --> 00:44:15,119
there talking about UFOs and they had

1143
00:44:17,569 --> 00:44:16,920
paranormal team and

1144
00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:17,579
um

1145
00:44:22,069 --> 00:44:20,400
after I got up and spoke about this some

1146
00:44:23,329 --> 00:44:22,079
of the bigfooters came up to me and they

1147
00:44:26,990 --> 00:44:23,339
said hey

1148
00:44:28,849 --> 00:44:27,000
um do you know ho nubby and ho Nabi is a

1149
00:44:31,490 --> 00:44:28,859
small town in Southeastern Oklahoma it's

1150
00:44:32,809 --> 00:44:31,500
maybe an hour or so I would say from

1151
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:32,819
from

1152
00:44:36,530 --> 00:44:35,040
um Hartshorne where the the miracle

1153
00:44:39,050 --> 00:44:36,540
mountains was

1154
00:44:42,349 --> 00:44:39,060
um but there was a whole Siege of ho

1155
00:44:45,770 --> 00:44:42,359
Nabi that had Bigfoot and it the main

1156
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:45,780
thing that that kicked it off was a meat

1157
00:44:50,329 --> 00:44:48,480
locker got emptied of deer meat um

1158
00:44:51,770 --> 00:44:50,339
throughout the night there was meat

1159
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:51,780
getting stolen out of the outdoor

1160
00:44:56,270 --> 00:44:54,960
freezer and so um it kind of unfolded

1161
00:44:58,970 --> 00:44:56,280
the same way where they were standing

1162
00:45:01,010 --> 00:44:58,980
guard with guns and everything and of

1163
00:45:02,990 --> 00:45:01,020
course they attributed that to Bigfoot

1164
00:45:05,690 --> 00:45:03,000
but that whole area over there around

1165
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:05,700
Hartshorne is just it's weird I mean we

1166
00:45:10,730 --> 00:45:08,160
have ghost lights over there we have um

1167
00:45:11,930 --> 00:45:10,740
Bigfoot sightings we have the UFO

1168
00:45:14,809 --> 00:45:11,940
sightings

1169
00:45:17,450 --> 00:45:14,819
um there's there's um

1170
00:45:19,730 --> 00:45:17,460
magazine or not magazine uh newspaper

1171
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:19,740
articles there's one in particular from

1172
00:45:24,170 --> 00:45:21,599
like the 60s where it actually mentions

1173
00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:24,180
Bigfoot and UFOs where it says the UFO

1174
00:45:29,930 --> 00:45:26,880
was looking for bigfoot and so there's a

1175
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:29,940
long history from the 60s on

1176
00:45:34,910 --> 00:45:32,640
um even up to today that things are

1177
00:45:37,490 --> 00:45:34,920
still transpiring the bigfooters have

1178
00:45:40,190 --> 00:45:37,500
seen these glowing orange orbs hovering

1179
00:45:41,870 --> 00:45:40,200
over the the Treetops in that area while

1180
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:41,880
they were out there looking for bigfoot

1181
00:45:45,829 --> 00:45:43,200
and I've heard this from several of

1182
00:45:48,890 --> 00:45:45,839
these people and in different instances

1183
00:45:51,530 --> 00:45:48,900
we have one case on on file at mufon

1184
00:45:54,170 --> 00:45:51,540
from a bigfooter that saw one of these

1185
00:45:57,910 --> 00:45:54,180
orange orbs hovering over there

1186
00:46:00,290 --> 00:45:57,920
um so anyways to wrap it up

1187
00:46:02,450 --> 00:46:00,300
I've heard from a lot of people in that

1188
00:46:04,130 --> 00:46:02,460
area that grew up there and they're now

1189
00:46:06,349 --> 00:46:04,140
reporting some of their sightings from

1190
00:46:08,390 --> 00:46:06,359
heartsorn so I'm I'm excited to get in

1191
00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:08,400
and get them interviewed and get that on

1192
00:46:12,890 --> 00:46:10,800
file and kind of connect that with the

1193
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:12,900
schoolyard encounter because something

1194
00:46:19,010 --> 00:46:15,839
was going on in the 60s and 70s in that

1195
00:46:21,530 --> 00:46:19,020
area and there was a flap going on over

1196
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:21,540
Oklahoma at that time anyway but

1197
00:46:26,930 --> 00:46:23,280
specifically here around Hearts horn

1198
00:46:30,829 --> 00:46:26,940
they had a a measured Spike of 500

1199
00:46:33,650 --> 00:46:30,839
clicks of radiation in that area right

1200
00:46:36,050 --> 00:46:33,660
after a UFO sighting and there was a guy

1201
00:46:39,770 --> 00:46:36,060
here in Oklahoma his name was

1202
00:46:42,050 --> 00:46:39,780
um Hayden Hughes and he ran the UFO

1203
00:46:45,890 --> 00:46:42,060
Bureau and he formed that back in the

1204
00:46:48,530 --> 00:46:45,900
1950s it was before mufon and he was

1205
00:46:50,750 --> 00:46:48,540
just a teenager at the time but he had

1206
00:46:52,130 --> 00:46:50,760
written to Russia and got a response

1207
00:46:55,130 --> 00:46:52,140
from them about what they thought about

1208
00:46:57,770 --> 00:46:55,140
UFOs and he started investigating stuff

1209
00:47:01,130 --> 00:46:57,780
and I think it's interesting that he was

1210
00:47:02,809 --> 00:47:01,140
led to Hartshorne as well and so you

1211
00:47:04,970 --> 00:47:02,819
know within a couple years here I'm led

1212
00:47:07,609 --> 00:47:04,980
to Hearts horn him after years and years

1213
00:47:10,430 --> 00:47:07,619
of investigating he's led to hearts on

1214
00:47:12,670 --> 00:47:10,440
there's something going on in that area

1215
00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:12,680
um and this guy Walker Ranch of Oklahoma

1216
00:47:17,569 --> 00:47:15,599
pretty much that's why I'm I'm beginning

1217
00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:17,579
to believe that's why I'm so excited to

1218
00:47:22,010 --> 00:47:19,680
be hearing from these people and to get

1219
00:47:24,170 --> 00:47:22,020
their stories you know recorded so that

1220
00:47:26,510 --> 00:47:24,180
we can get a better idea of what was

1221
00:47:28,130 --> 00:47:26,520
taking place in that area and what is

1222
00:47:30,770 --> 00:47:28,140
continuing to take place in that area

1223
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:30,780
because something's going on out there I

1224
00:47:34,609 --> 00:47:32,640
don't know what they're drawn to but

1225
00:47:35,990 --> 00:47:34,619
something's happening it's funny because

1226
00:47:37,730 --> 00:47:36,000
you're mentioning about the school and

1227
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:37,740
there's so many incidences in the past

1228
00:47:43,309 --> 00:47:41,040
of UFOs and schools and sometimes it's

1229
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:43,319
some sort of you know even the Zimbabwe

1230
00:47:48,349 --> 00:47:45,599
case when you know these entities spoke

1231
00:47:51,109 --> 00:47:48,359
to a bunch of kids all at once different

1232
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:51,119
messages to each one of the kids but all

1233
00:47:56,089 --> 00:47:54,000
from the same entity uh so here in these

1234
00:47:57,710 --> 00:47:56,099
cases you're like okay so obviously

1235
00:48:00,109 --> 00:47:57,720
they're interested in in where the kids

1236
00:48:02,270 --> 00:48:00,119
are at for whatever reason uh the other

1237
00:48:05,329 --> 00:48:02,280
one is Bigfoot you mentioned Bigfoot for

1238
00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:05,339
I was so adamant before that I did not

1239
00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:06,960
believe in Bigfoot and I did not want

1240
00:48:11,870 --> 00:48:10,079
Bigfoot to be related to uaps at all and

1241
00:48:13,550 --> 00:48:11,880
the more that Louie and I are yeah I

1242
00:48:15,230 --> 00:48:13,560
told you they were related to UFOs The

1243
00:48:17,750 --> 00:48:15,240
More Night Louis and I are digging into

1244
00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:17,760
it the more it seems that they are

1245
00:48:21,829 --> 00:48:19,680
related that there's some sort of

1246
00:48:24,710 --> 00:48:21,839
correlation between the two like where

1247
00:48:26,990 --> 00:48:24,720
one is seen the other is also seen and

1248
00:48:28,490 --> 00:48:27,000
you know or strange lights orbs and

1249
00:48:30,290 --> 00:48:28,500
stuff like that where Bigfoot is

1250
00:48:32,510 --> 00:48:30,300
reported to be

1251
00:48:34,190 --> 00:48:32,520
I hate to admit it but it looks like

1252
00:48:35,569 --> 00:48:34,200
there's something there that we have to

1253
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:35,579
look into there's some sort of

1254
00:48:39,230 --> 00:48:37,440
correlation you know the two are linked

1255
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:39,240
somehow but it seems like it's linked to

1256
00:48:42,589 --> 00:48:40,800
everything as well like you were

1257
00:48:44,450 --> 00:48:42,599
mentioning your Consciousness in your

1258
00:48:46,970 --> 00:48:44,460
near-death experience

1259
00:48:48,890 --> 00:48:46,980
um your Consciousness was was it the

1260
00:48:50,150 --> 00:48:48,900
same from you know when you knew you

1261
00:48:52,010 --> 00:48:50,160
were in your body and something was

1262
00:48:53,930 --> 00:48:52,020
wrong to when you say you were out of

1263
00:48:56,270 --> 00:48:53,940
your body was that like an

1264
00:48:58,849 --> 00:48:56,280
seamless flow of Consciousness to you or

1265
00:49:02,270 --> 00:48:58,859
was there a fading in and out no there

1266
00:49:05,390 --> 00:49:02,280
was there was no lapse I was in my body

1267
00:49:08,030 --> 00:49:05,400
and I was out and I have full memory

1268
00:49:10,670 --> 00:49:08,040
from that whole transition

1269
00:49:12,770 --> 00:49:10,680
um I I kind of had closed my eyes and

1270
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:12,780
then the next thing I knew I was in

1271
00:49:17,870 --> 00:49:14,880
darkness and I'm like what the heck

1272
00:49:20,329 --> 00:49:17,880
because I was so upset I mean I I was

1273
00:49:24,470 --> 00:49:20,339
angry I'm not even gonna lie I was angry

1274
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:24,480
at the time and I was so absorbed in my

1275
00:49:28,910 --> 00:49:26,880
own emotion at the time I didn't even

1276
00:49:30,829 --> 00:49:28,920
realize where I was until I started

1277
00:49:33,730 --> 00:49:30,839
looking around I'm like oh my gosh I'm

1278
00:49:35,630 --> 00:49:33,740
not even like on Earth anymore you know

1279
00:49:38,089 --> 00:49:35,640
and so

1280
00:49:40,490 --> 00:49:38,099
like there was no laughs I had a steady

1281
00:49:43,190 --> 00:49:40,500
stream of thoughts the whole time but

1282
00:49:45,650 --> 00:49:43,200
when I was over there it was just

1283
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:45,660
completely unboxed because there was

1284
00:49:51,290 --> 00:49:48,720
like no containment within my body I was

1285
00:49:54,109 --> 00:49:51,300
just my emotions I was just my thoughts

1286
00:49:55,970 --> 00:49:54,119
I was just my Consciousness and and I'm

1287
00:49:57,530 --> 00:49:55,980
actually wrapping up I was hoping to

1288
00:49:59,870 --> 00:49:57,540
have it done this weekend I'm wrapping

1289
00:50:02,569 --> 00:49:59,880
up my book on the subject and it goes

1290
00:50:04,309 --> 00:50:02,579
all into detail of everything I I

1291
00:50:06,349 --> 00:50:04,319
um encountered over there and just kind

1292
00:50:08,089 --> 00:50:06,359
of my thoughts on it because whenever I

1293
00:50:11,930 --> 00:50:08,099
came back I really kind of struggled

1294
00:50:15,530 --> 00:50:11,940
with kind of reintegrating into reality

1295
00:50:17,630 --> 00:50:15,540
it took a couple of years and um I know

1296
00:50:20,089 --> 00:50:17,640
there's there's a thing called

1297
00:50:23,750 --> 00:50:20,099
derealization and that can happen after

1298
00:50:26,030 --> 00:50:23,760
trauma but it it and I think I did have

1299
00:50:28,450 --> 00:50:26,040
some derealization but

1300
00:50:32,089 --> 00:50:28,460
I also knew that there was another

1301
00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:32,099
reality that was so much bigger and so

1302
00:50:37,069 --> 00:50:34,800
much more real than this and so I really

1303
00:50:40,910 --> 00:50:37,079
kind of struggled to reintegrate here

1304
00:50:42,890 --> 00:50:40,920
because nothing seemed real you know

1305
00:50:44,210 --> 00:50:42,900
um because I I know that there's so much

1306
00:50:46,690 --> 00:50:44,220
more

1307
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:46,700
um and so I I got really into

1308
00:50:51,950 --> 00:50:49,680
researching simulation Theory and

1309
00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:51,960
Consciousness and

1310
00:50:55,970 --> 00:50:53,760
um kind of looking at things from that

1311
00:50:57,890 --> 00:50:55,980
perspective I got into looking at the

1312
00:51:00,890 --> 00:50:57,900
Gateway process which the government had

1313
00:51:04,910 --> 00:51:00,900
done back in the 70s and 80s I actually

1314
00:51:08,210 --> 00:51:04,920
and with Colonel McDonald was it and

1315
00:51:10,370 --> 00:51:08,220
where he looked into psychic spying and

1316
00:51:12,530 --> 00:51:10,380
stuff they were trying to go into astral

1317
00:51:16,250 --> 00:51:12,540
you know Realms and and get information

1318
00:51:18,109 --> 00:51:16,260
from entities there and I mean that's

1319
00:51:20,089 --> 00:51:18,119
exactly what I did I went into another

1320
00:51:21,109 --> 00:51:20,099
realm and got information from entities

1321
00:51:22,430 --> 00:51:21,119
there

1322
00:51:24,650 --> 00:51:22,440
um where he showed me different things

1323
00:51:27,650 --> 00:51:24,660
around there so

1324
00:51:29,930 --> 00:51:27,660
um it's all interrelated did and you

1325
00:51:32,329 --> 00:51:29,940
know it all relates back to UFOs it all

1326
00:51:35,150 --> 00:51:32,339
relates back to the Paranormal and I I

1327
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:35,160
know mufon takes the the strong stance

1328
00:51:41,870 --> 00:51:36,960
you know they're very nuts and bolts

1329
00:51:44,450 --> 00:51:41,880
within the investigation of UAP

1330
00:51:47,390 --> 00:51:44,460
um but there are so many different Minds

1331
00:51:49,670 --> 00:51:47,400
within mufon and so there's all always

1332
00:51:51,770 --> 00:51:49,680
varying opinions and I think that it's

1333
00:51:53,630 --> 00:51:51,780
good to have both sides so we have the

1334
00:51:55,790 --> 00:51:53,640
nuts and bolts guys I couldn't tell you

1335
00:51:56,990 --> 00:51:55,800
much about propulsion systems you know I

1336
00:52:00,290 --> 00:51:57,000
know a little bit

1337
00:52:01,910 --> 00:52:00,300
but you know I I bless the men that that

1338
00:52:04,250 --> 00:52:01,920
do know and the women that know about

1339
00:52:06,170 --> 00:52:04,260
propulsion systems me I'm more on the

1340
00:52:07,730 --> 00:52:06,180
Consciousness side of things but I think

1341
00:52:09,650 --> 00:52:07,740
that when we bring everybody together

1342
00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:09,660
and we can have these conversations

1343
00:52:15,410 --> 00:52:12,720
things start lining up you know

1344
00:52:18,730 --> 00:52:15,420
um I saw I made a connection with the

1345
00:52:22,549 --> 00:52:18,740
gentleman on LinkedIn this last week and

1346
00:52:25,790 --> 00:52:22,559
he had some way of putting my

1347
00:52:29,150 --> 00:52:25,800
Consciousness stuff into a you know like

1348
00:52:31,730 --> 00:52:29,160
formula and I I was sitting and reading

1349
00:52:34,010 --> 00:52:31,740
this going oh my gosh what he says makes

1350
00:52:36,049 --> 00:52:34,020
complete sense and he's putting it into

1351
00:52:38,450 --> 00:52:36,059
you know scientific terms that I may not

1352
00:52:40,130 --> 00:52:38,460
have had the words for but it makes

1353
00:52:41,510 --> 00:52:40,140
perfect sense and he's saying the same

1354
00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:41,520
thing I am from a whole different

1355
00:52:45,890 --> 00:52:44,160
perspective and and I think it's

1356
00:52:47,930 --> 00:52:45,900
incredible to get these different Minds

1357
00:52:50,329 --> 00:52:47,940
together and really kind of bounce off

1358
00:52:51,530 --> 00:52:50,339
from different perspectives that's how

1359
00:52:53,809 --> 00:52:51,540
we're going to come up with new

1360
00:52:56,750 --> 00:52:53,819
breakthroughs in this area

1361
00:52:58,309 --> 00:52:56,760
yeah and it's such a vast area too just

1362
00:53:00,770 --> 00:52:58,319
the study of

1363
00:53:03,710 --> 00:53:00,780
the phenomenon and you know it's it's

1364
00:53:06,290 --> 00:53:03,720
heavy I I was going to mention this with

1365
00:53:08,450 --> 00:53:06,300
mufon when I received the book uh you

1366
00:53:10,790 --> 00:53:08,460
know to start studying for the exam I

1367
00:53:12,530 --> 00:53:10,800
was a little disappointed at how thin it

1368
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:12,540
was because I think it should have been

1369
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:14,880
a volume that is uh you know worthy of a

1370
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:17,040
university so you should be able to kill

1371
00:53:21,770 --> 00:53:19,200
a man with the book all right because of

1372
00:53:24,410 --> 00:53:21,780
the amount of uh information that is

1373
00:53:26,510 --> 00:53:24,420
needed uh to cover this subject I mean

1374
00:53:27,829 --> 00:53:26,520
it did very well touching on a few you

1375
00:53:30,049 --> 00:53:27,839
know this is how you should approach

1376
00:53:31,790 --> 00:53:30,059
this and that but I always thought it

1377
00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:31,800
should be bigger than that this should

1378
00:53:36,349 --> 00:53:34,079
be a course that somebody you know has

1379
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:36,359
to take because there's not you know

1380
00:53:39,650 --> 00:53:37,920
once you open up one door that door

1381
00:53:42,170 --> 00:53:39,660
opens up three doors and each one of

1382
00:53:44,390 --> 00:53:42,180
those doors opens up more doors and you

1383
00:53:46,190 --> 00:53:44,400
know three years in we got more

1384
00:53:47,329 --> 00:53:46,200
questions that we have answers at this

1385
00:53:50,510 --> 00:53:47,339
point do you know what I mean like it's

1386
00:53:53,089 --> 00:53:50,520
just it just keeps going forward and uh

1387
00:53:55,010 --> 00:53:53,099
have you heard anything if mufon's

1388
00:53:57,530 --> 00:53:55,020
planning on updating the book at all the

1389
00:53:59,210 --> 00:53:57,540
manual or is that because we're sort of

1390
00:54:02,030 --> 00:53:59,220
working on all the other aspects this

1391
00:54:04,130 --> 00:54:02,040
SCA CMS and all that's being updated but

1392
00:54:06,109 --> 00:54:04,140
just wondering about the the book are we

1393
00:54:08,510 --> 00:54:06,119
updating that at all or

1394
00:54:09,430 --> 00:54:08,520
not that I know of

1395
00:54:13,250 --> 00:54:09,440
um

1396
00:54:16,549 --> 00:54:13,260
it has been a good guide for years and

1397
00:54:18,790 --> 00:54:16,559
years and years and so don't fix it if

1398
00:54:22,069 --> 00:54:18,800
it isn't broken kind of thing right um

1399
00:54:23,630 --> 00:54:22,079
and there might be changes you know

1400
00:54:26,690 --> 00:54:23,640
um I know looking through it like

1401
00:54:28,069 --> 00:54:26,700
there's some long chains of of URLs and

1402
00:54:29,569 --> 00:54:28,079
stuff and I'm like you don't put that in

1403
00:54:31,490 --> 00:54:29,579
print

1404
00:54:34,069 --> 00:54:31,500
so there's things that that need to be

1405
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:34,079
updated in it but it's going to be a

1406
00:54:40,309 --> 00:54:37,200
process right now it it is good as it is

1407
00:54:42,770 --> 00:54:40,319
but in mufon University we're trying to

1408
00:54:45,230 --> 00:54:42,780
bring in some of these other aspects I

1409
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:45,240
know ERT just put together a fantastic

1410
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:48,000
training for their people that I've got

1411
00:54:52,190 --> 00:54:50,400
to break up and get added into it and

1412
00:54:54,650 --> 00:54:52,200
we're hoping to get it launched sometime

1413
00:54:57,530 --> 00:54:54,660
this year but we're waiting on the forms

1414
00:54:59,329 --> 00:54:57,540
to get integrated into CMS so that we

1415
00:55:01,130 --> 00:54:59,339
can continue with doing the video

1416
00:55:03,890 --> 00:55:01,140
walkthroughs

1417
00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:03,900
um but I mean there are so much there's

1418
00:55:07,490 --> 00:55:05,520
so much going on in the background of

1419
00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:07,500
mufon right now that's what I was saying

1420
00:55:12,109 --> 00:55:09,839
about Dave he has just opened the door

1421
00:55:14,569 --> 00:55:12,119
to so many things we've got mufon

1422
00:55:16,910 --> 00:55:14,579
University that's being updated we just

1423
00:55:19,490 --> 00:55:16,920
launched the the map app have you had a

1424
00:55:23,030 --> 00:55:19,500
chance to look at that not yet oh my

1425
00:55:26,450 --> 00:55:23,040
gosh yeah it I opened it today it's

1426
00:55:27,230 --> 00:55:26,460
number one and top downloads in the Play

1427
00:55:31,130 --> 00:55:27,240
Store

1428
00:55:32,569 --> 00:55:31,140
today yes yes and I don't know if the

1429
00:55:34,370 --> 00:55:32,579
gentleman wants me to release his name

1430
00:55:36,470 --> 00:55:34,380
but the guy that that built it is

1431
00:55:37,970 --> 00:55:36,480
incredible and he has been working on

1432
00:55:41,210 --> 00:55:37,980
all kinds of things in the background

1433
00:55:43,549 --> 00:55:41,220
for mufon and we're working on um

1434
00:55:46,250 --> 00:55:43,559
getting some watermarks to put on videos

1435
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:46,260
and stuff there was there was a problem

1436
00:55:49,549 --> 00:55:48,240
with people taking videos and then

1437
00:55:52,730 --> 00:55:49,559
trying to attribute it to different

1438
00:55:55,730 --> 00:55:52,740
things and and we're not about that so

1439
00:55:58,670 --> 00:55:55,740
um you know we want the truth to follow

1440
00:56:00,650 --> 00:55:58,680
these videos and the people that submit

1441
00:56:02,210 --> 00:56:00,660
them should be able to tell their

1442
00:56:04,490 --> 00:56:02,220
stories and not have some kind of

1443
00:56:06,349 --> 00:56:04,500
fictional thing attached to it so we're

1444
00:56:09,049 --> 00:56:06,359
we're fixing that

1445
00:56:12,890 --> 00:56:09,059
um you know there what else

1446
00:56:14,690 --> 00:56:12,900
um there is the uh Observer Network that

1447
00:56:16,970 --> 00:56:14,700
they launched I don't know if you've had

1448
00:56:19,370 --> 00:56:16,980
a chance to go on there

1449
00:56:20,690 --> 00:56:19,380
it's like the forums of old where people

1450
00:56:22,309 --> 00:56:20,700
can get on there and you know share

1451
00:56:25,370 --> 00:56:22,319
their different ideas and it's all just

1452
00:56:26,990 --> 00:56:25,380
about UFOs uh so they they're launching

1453
00:56:29,270 --> 00:56:27,000
all kinds of different things right now

1454
00:56:30,230 --> 00:56:29,280
and there's a lot of moving Parts you

1455
00:56:32,569 --> 00:56:30,240
know

1456
00:56:35,870 --> 00:56:32,579
um so maybe eventually the the manual

1457
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:35,880
get an update as well but man we're

1458
00:56:40,190 --> 00:56:38,640
we're working on stuff and it's exciting

1459
00:56:42,530 --> 00:56:40,200
it's an exciting time to be part of

1460
00:56:44,329 --> 00:56:42,540
mufon yeah and maybe it'll be a digital

1461
00:56:46,069 --> 00:56:44,339
manual at that point just something that

1462
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:46,079
we can all have on the phones you know

1463
00:56:51,589 --> 00:56:49,680
even recordings yeah see I'm not I

1464
00:56:52,970 --> 00:56:51,599
wasn't even aware of this nobody tells

1465
00:56:54,349 --> 00:56:52,980
me you've been an investigator for a

1466
00:56:55,849 --> 00:56:54,359
while it's not like you just got the

1467
00:56:58,609 --> 00:56:55,859
book yesterday so maybe they have

1468
00:56:59,930 --> 00:56:58,619
updated since you joined yeah most

1469
00:57:01,609 --> 00:56:59,940
likely let's just put it that way but

1470
00:57:04,010 --> 00:57:01,619
also they don't tell me anything they

1471
00:57:07,790 --> 00:57:04,020
just don't tell me anything uh no that's

1472
00:57:10,549 --> 00:57:07,800
that's awesome uh Mindy I I think you

1473
00:57:12,410 --> 00:57:10,559
know talking with you it motivates me to

1474
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:12,420
be a better investigator I have not

1475
00:57:16,130 --> 00:57:14,400
investigated anything in a while they

1476
00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:16,140
did send me a case not that long ago and

1477
00:57:20,690 --> 00:57:17,760
I haven't even looked at it have been so

1478
00:57:22,370 --> 00:57:20,700
bad but you know preoccupied with work

1479
00:57:24,770 --> 00:57:22,380
in the podcast so I haven't had much

1480
00:57:26,750 --> 00:57:24,780
time but I do you know speaking somebody

1481
00:57:29,089 --> 00:57:26,760
like yourself it does motivate me to get

1482
00:57:32,089 --> 00:57:29,099
back into it and and keep investigating

1483
00:57:33,290 --> 00:57:32,099
it as best I can on this uh Louie do you

1484
00:57:34,910 --> 00:57:33,300
have any final questions for our guest

1485
00:57:36,650 --> 00:57:34,920
today yeah Mindy tell everybody where

1486
00:57:38,329 --> 00:57:36,660
they can learn more about you follow you

1487
00:57:40,910 --> 00:57:38,339
maybe the name of your book if you've

1488
00:57:43,609 --> 00:57:40,920
got a title sure the title of the book

1489
00:57:46,130 --> 00:57:43,619
is going to be dying to meet them one

1490
00:57:48,530 --> 00:57:46,140
woman's Incredible Journey from nde to

1491
00:57:50,510 --> 00:57:48,540
UAP and it will be coming out through

1492
00:57:51,910 --> 00:57:50,520
annexed media who you're a part of now

1493
00:57:54,530 --> 00:57:51,920
yes

1494
00:57:56,870 --> 00:57:54,540
Margie Margie will be doing it

1495
00:57:59,329 --> 00:57:56,880
um and so I'm I'm hoping to send it the

1496
00:58:01,370 --> 00:57:59,339
completed book over her this week and

1497
00:58:03,230 --> 00:58:01,380
then I will be speaking about it at the

1498
00:58:05,329 --> 00:58:03,240
annex conference I don't know if you

1499
00:58:07,609 --> 00:58:05,339
guys will be there in Missouri in

1500
00:58:09,950 --> 00:58:07,619
October if people want to get a hold of

1501
00:58:12,109 --> 00:58:09,960
me they can contact me through

1502
00:58:15,109 --> 00:58:12,119
um Oklahoma Facebook page it's just

1503
00:58:17,510 --> 00:58:15,119
Oklahoma muffon Mutual UFO Network

1504
00:58:20,589 --> 00:58:17,520
um or through the national website you

1505
00:58:23,870 --> 00:58:20,599
can find my um my email address there

1506
00:58:25,609 --> 00:58:23,880
mindy.mufon okay at gmail or

1507
00:58:27,650 --> 00:58:25,619
um yeah I think that's probably the best

1508
00:58:28,670 --> 00:58:27,660
way to get a hold of me awesome very

1509
00:58:30,049 --> 00:58:28,680
good well we really appreciate you

1510
00:58:32,089 --> 00:58:30,059
coming on the show and again you

1511
00:58:34,490 --> 00:58:32,099
mentioned the NX Network that is a new

1512
00:58:37,250 --> 00:58:34,500
home for UAP studies in fact today is

1513
00:58:40,549 --> 00:58:37,260
our first episode so we air every

1514
00:58:42,910 --> 00:58:40,559
Sundays at 8 p.m 11 Pacific and of

1515
00:58:46,190 --> 00:58:42,920
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1516
00:58:48,530 --> 00:58:46,200
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1517
00:58:50,030 --> 00:58:48,540
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1518
00:58:52,010 --> 00:58:50,040
definitely helps us get shown to more

1519
00:58:53,690 --> 00:58:52,020
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1520
00:58:55,309 --> 00:58:53,700
kind of screws with our algorithm a

1521
00:58:56,569 --> 00:58:55,319
little bit we get a lot of comments

1522
00:58:58,849 --> 00:58:56,579
saying how did I not know you guys

1523
00:59:00,170 --> 00:58:58,859
existed you guys are awesome so we'd

1524
00:59:02,150 --> 00:59:00,180
like to stay humble thank you for the

1525
00:59:03,710 --> 00:59:02,160
comments uh and we want to keep bringing

1526
00:59:05,089 --> 00:59:03,720
you more amazing guests just like Mindy

1527
00:59:07,490 --> 00:59:05,099
and Mindy we'd love to have you back

1528
00:59:09,950 --> 00:59:07,500
again sometime time time flies you're

1529
00:59:12,530 --> 00:59:09,960
very well spoken uh we're both more

1530
00:59:14,809 --> 00:59:12,540
excited now than ever and it's a UFO

1531
00:59:16,370 --> 00:59:14,819
flap Sunday so we're all we're all

1532
00:59:17,990 --> 00:59:16,380
enjoying this in our digital living room

1533
00:59:20,030 --> 00:59:18,000
so thank thanks again for being on our

1534
00:59:25,430 --> 00:59:20,040
show we'd love to have you back thank